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		<title>By: JayMonster</title>
		<link>http://distractible.org/2008/04/03/primary-care-tea-party/comment-page-1/#comment-1179</link>
		<dc:creator>JayMonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being the outsider looking in, it seems to me that the biggest problems lie within and not from outside forces (though I do not deny they are there, but they can not be or are difficult to address for this reason).

I have commented here before on this (in different context, but to reiterate) ... take a gander around &quot;The Tubes&quot; of the Internet, when Sen. Stevens and the others challenged law providers peek out from their little domes, what do they see?  They see people (like me) complaining about the lousy state of affairs, not only of insurance, and payment issues, but of care provided by far too many Primary Care Physicians that are not &quot;doing it right&quot; such as you and some of your colleagues here.  Which leads to one nasty perception problem.

How many stories can you find about people complaining about being treated like a part on an assembly line?  Of doctors that don&#039;t even take the time to actually listen to the problem before writing a script for the medication of whatever drug representative happened to be in the office last?  Ask a person about whether doctors are underpaid, and they think &quot;He billed XYZ Insurance $100 for a six minute visit, where I got weighed, listened to my chest, wrote me a script&quot;  again, perception problem.

So, in short it looks to me that before this situation can get better that perception has to change, and the question becomes, is how to weed out the bad apples that are causing this perception issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being the outsider looking in, it seems to me that the biggest problems lie within and not from outside forces (though I do not deny they are there, but they can not be or are difficult to address for this reason).</p>
<p>I have commented here before on this (in different context, but to reiterate) &#8230; take a gander around &#8220;The Tubes&#8221; of the Internet, when Sen. Stevens and the others challenged law providers peek out from their little domes, what do they see?  They see people (like me) complaining about the lousy state of affairs, not only of insurance, and payment issues, but of care provided by far too many Primary Care Physicians that are not &#8220;doing it right&#8221; such as you and some of your colleagues here.  Which leads to one nasty perception problem.</p>
<p>How many stories can you find about people complaining about being treated like a part on an assembly line?  Of doctors that don&#8217;t even take the time to actually listen to the problem before writing a script for the medication of whatever drug representative happened to be in the office last?  Ask a person about whether doctors are underpaid, and they think &#8220;He billed XYZ Insurance $100 for a six minute visit, where I got weighed, listened to my chest, wrote me a script&#8221;  again, perception problem.</p>
<p>So, in short it looks to me that before this situation can get better that perception has to change, and the question becomes, is how to weed out the bad apples that are causing this perception issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://distractible.org/2008/04/03/primary-care-tea-party/comment-page-1/#comment-1126</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 01:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the fact is that primary care is dying.  Even though we do earn a good salary, many physicians do not.  We may be on the top of the bubble, but what happens when the bubble bursts?  Yes, I am doing well (quite well, actually), and I don&#039;t want the same salary as the cardiologist.  Those of us who do well, however, either are exceptionally efficient in our care, or offer bad care by not spending much time with our patients.  Hospitals can pay docs well because they are loss-leaders so they can get on insurance plans.  Plus, you make a whole bunch of money from the ancillaries you order.  Yet I found that the amount of time I spent frustrated with how poorly they managed my practice.  

By the way, if 40% of all primary care physicians are in solo practice, won&#039;t the system die if solo practice dies?  The fact is, there is plenty of money in the system - enough to fund the solo docs many times over - but it is just going to the wrong hands: insurance industry and overpaid specialists.  Neurosurgeons deserve big salaries, but the ones in our area are earning over $1 Million.  That could keep several solo docs in practice and still leave them quite comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the fact is that primary care is dying.  Even though we do earn a good salary, many physicians do not.  We may be on the top of the bubble, but what happens when the bubble bursts?  Yes, I am doing well (quite well, actually), and I don&#8217;t want the same salary as the cardiologist.  Those of us who do well, however, either are exceptionally efficient in our care, or offer bad care by not spending much time with our patients.  Hospitals can pay docs well because they are loss-leaders so they can get on insurance plans.  Plus, you make a whole bunch of money from the ancillaries you order.  Yet I found that the amount of time I spent frustrated with how poorly they managed my practice.  </p>
<p>By the way, if 40% of all primary care physicians are in solo practice, won&#8217;t the system die if solo practice dies?  The fact is, there is plenty of money in the system &#8211; enough to fund the solo docs many times over &#8211; but it is just going to the wrong hands: insurance industry and overpaid specialists.  Neurosurgeons deserve big salaries, but the ones in our area are earning over $1 Million.  That could keep several solo docs in practice and still leave them quite comfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Furst</title>
		<link>http://distractible.org/2008/04/03/primary-care-tea-party/comment-page-1/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Furst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoops sorry -- wrong link
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoops sorry &#8212; wrong link<br />
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		<title>By: Ian Furst</title>
		<link>http://distractible.org/2008/04/03/primary-care-tea-party/comment-page-1/#comment-1120</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Furst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a ton of friends in the same &quot;boat&quot;.  If you assume that an uprising is unlikely because even if underpaid you&#039;re still in the top 5%, you better look for other solutions.  I think the best one is group practice.  In our own practice, it&#039;s made it easier to take holidays, manage the business and recruit new partners.  It&#039;s also improved service to our patients with lower wait times. I think a lot of practitioners forgo group practice to maintain control.  But in the end, it&#039;s harder to work alone than compromise.  I suspect the solo-doc practice is likely to die.
http://waittimes.blogspot.com/2008/04/high-stakes-email.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a ton of friends in the same &#8220;boat&#8221;.  If you assume that an uprising is unlikely because even if underpaid you&#8217;re still in the top 5%, you better look for other solutions.  I think the best one is group practice.  In our own practice, it&#8217;s made it easier to take holidays, manage the business and recruit new partners.  It&#8217;s also improved service to our patients with lower wait times. I think a lot of practitioners forgo group practice to maintain control.  But in the end, it&#8217;s harder to work alone than compromise.  I suspect the solo-doc practice is likely to die.<br />
<a href="http://waittimes.blogspot.com/2008/04/high-stakes-email.html" rel="nofollow">http://waittimes.blogspot.com/2008/04/high-stakes-email.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Smak</title>
		<link>http://distractible.org/2008/04/03/primary-care-tea-party/comment-page-1/#comment-1118</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Smak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Rob,

Actually, I&#039;m an employee.  I&#039;m not sure my ovaries are big enough for me to go into private practice.  For me, being an employee works well.  My paycheck is predictable, I can go on vacation without thinking about the opportunity cost, and the whole hiring/firing staff headache is someone else&#039;s.  Of course, I lose some autonomy, and some income.  Working for an FQHC, the bottom line is important, but not the most important thing.  I&#039;m the rare bird who is an an employee but who isn&#039;t harassed to see more see more see more patients.

I think your point that good primary care is the key to our nation&#039;s health care woes is entirely accurate.  But we have an image problem.  Once John Q. Public, with a salary of $50K per year, hears what amounts to &quot;But we only make $160,000 a year!  The cardiologists  make double that!&quot; we look like a bunch of ninnies.

Personally, I think I make plenty for the work I do.  But the damn urologist doesn&#039;t deserve $375K a year.  Geesh.  

At the risk of raining on a historic, distinguished, and important solo doc parade, maybe the mom and pop grocery store just isn&#039;t suited for the post-WalMart era.

This is a political issue, and needs a political solution.  We need some good lobbyists, if anything is going to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Rob,</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m an employee.  I&#8217;m not sure my ovaries are big enough for me to go into private practice.  For me, being an employee works well.  My paycheck is predictable, I can go on vacation without thinking about the opportunity cost, and the whole hiring/firing staff headache is someone else&#8217;s.  Of course, I lose some autonomy, and some income.  Working for an FQHC, the bottom line is important, but not the most important thing.  I&#8217;m the rare bird who is an an employee but who isn&#8217;t harassed to see more see more see more patients.</p>
<p>I think your point that good primary care is the key to our nation&#8217;s health care woes is entirely accurate.  But we have an image problem.  Once John Q. Public, with a salary of $50K per year, hears what amounts to &#8220;But we only make $160,000 a year!  The cardiologists  make double that!&#8221; we look like a bunch of ninnies.</p>
<p>Personally, I think I make plenty for the work I do.  But the damn urologist doesn&#8217;t deserve $375K a year.  Geesh.  </p>
<p>At the risk of raining on a historic, distinguished, and important solo doc parade, maybe the mom and pop grocery store just isn&#8217;t suited for the post-WalMart era.</p>
<p>This is a political issue, and needs a political solution.  We need some good lobbyists, if anything is going to change.</p>
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		<title>By: drsam</title>
		<link>http://distractible.org/2008/04/03/primary-care-tea-party/comment-page-1/#comment-1113</link>
		<dc:creator>drsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob,

Yes, I think it probably would be better if we were better organized and/or represented by organized medicine.

I think you have fairly well outlined the reasons that seems unlikely to happen.

Private practice PCP&#039;s are simply too busy/financially strapped to get too involved with organized medicine, and even if they weren&#039;t, most of them tend to have that solo independent streak that makes them not very inclined to be &quot;joiners.&quot;

I have to admit that I have that characteristic myself.  I think it comes from my Southern/Scots-Irish cultural background.

I think most PCP&#039;s, like myself, mostly just want to be left the hell alone and alowed to practice medicine without a lot of outside interference.  It just naturally rubs us the wrong way and gets our &quot;Ire&quot; up when some bureaucrat from D.C. or the state capitol starts telling us how we have to do things, etc.

I think the AAFP, AMA, etc are very top-heavy with people who don&#039;t share these tendencies and just don&#039;t understand them.  They think if they can just convince these idiots in private practice to embrace their guidelines, their rules, their maintenance of certification, their JHACO standards, their utopion goals for universal healthcare, etc., etc., well then everything would just be peachy.

They don&#039;t get it.  The folks in the trenches of private practice understand the concept of &quot;Less is More&quot; when in comes to bureacracy and rules and government and control.

To our &quot;representatives&quot; in organized medicine this is a totally foreign concept.

About the only organization that I&#039;ve seen that sort of seems to get it is the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

I&#039;m not a member of this organization (see my comments about the independent streak thing above), but I often contemplate sending them a check and joining their ranks.

Maybe I will.

For now though, I&#039;m still preparing for my little tea party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob,</p>
<p>Yes, I think it probably would be better if we were better organized and/or represented by organized medicine.</p>
<p>I think you have fairly well outlined the reasons that seems unlikely to happen.</p>
<p>Private practice PCP&#8217;s are simply too busy/financially strapped to get too involved with organized medicine, and even if they weren&#8217;t, most of them tend to have that solo independent streak that makes them not very inclined to be &#8220;joiners.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to admit that I have that characteristic myself.  I think it comes from my Southern/Scots-Irish cultural background.</p>
<p>I think most PCP&#8217;s, like myself, mostly just want to be left the hell alone and alowed to practice medicine without a lot of outside interference.  It just naturally rubs us the wrong way and gets our &#8220;Ire&#8221; up when some bureaucrat from D.C. or the state capitol starts telling us how we have to do things, etc.</p>
<p>I think the AAFP, AMA, etc are very top-heavy with people who don&#8217;t share these tendencies and just don&#8217;t understand them.  They think if they can just convince these idiots in private practice to embrace their guidelines, their rules, their maintenance of certification, their JHACO standards, their utopion goals for universal healthcare, etc., etc., well then everything would just be peachy.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t get it.  The folks in the trenches of private practice understand the concept of &#8220;Less is More&#8221; when in comes to bureacracy and rules and government and control.</p>
<p>To our &#8220;representatives&#8221; in organized medicine this is a totally foreign concept.</p>
<p>About the only organization that I&#8217;ve seen that sort of seems to get it is the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a member of this organization (see my comments about the independent streak thing above), but I often contemplate sending them a check and joining their ranks.</p>
<p>Maybe I will.</p>
<p>For now though, I&#8217;m still preparing for my little tea party.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Healthcare 100 links for 04-04-08 &#124; The eDrugSearch Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry:
That is Actually what we do in our practice.  Division of labor is important and our practice is quite profitable for primary care.  We are definitely in the to 10%.  That still does not answer, however, the fact that we are not represented well (which is why I wrote the post)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry:<br />
That is Actually what we do in our practice.  Division of labor is important and our practice is quite profitable for primary care.  We are definitely in the to 10%.  That still does not answer, however, the fact that we are not represented well (which is why I wrote the post)</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Rob,
What I&#039;m suggesting is that some physicians may be better trained to handle the business end of the practice and some are better trained to handle the clinical end of the practice.  There are a few in solo private practice who have the training to do both very successfully.  For those that aren&#039;t trained or interested in the business aspect it makes sense to partner with those who are.  This doesn&#039;t mean they must become an employee.  It may come in the form of a group of physicians who employ a professional business manager.  Sure it comes at a price, but the trade-off is shrugging off the &quot;constant emotional burden&quot; and focusing one&#039;s energy on optimizing the clinical end of the practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Rob,<br />
What I&#8217;m suggesting is that some physicians may be better trained to handle the business end of the practice and some are better trained to handle the clinical end of the practice.  There are a few in solo private practice who have the training to do both very successfully.  For those that aren&#8217;t trained or interested in the business aspect it makes sense to partner with those who are.  This doesn&#8217;t mean they must become an employee.  It may come in the form of a group of physicians who employ a professional business manager.  Sure it comes at a price, but the trade-off is shrugging off the &#8220;constant emotional burden&#8221; and focusing one&#8217;s energy on optimizing the clinical end of the practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I am in no way advocating a strike.  The point of this whole post is to point out that the decision-makers are making poorly-informed decisions because the most important parties are not at the table (us).  When I say &quot;have a tea party&quot; it is definitely metaphorical - and I am not sure what the metaphor represents.  We simply need to rise up and make our voice heard.  It does not need to be angry as hell, or anything like that.

Check out the differences, by the way, of PCP salaries and specialists.  The margin difference is enormous.  Most of their work is done in the hospital, so they have no overhead there.  We carry all of our overhead.

Sam - I can&#039;t disagree.  Wouldn&#039;t it be better if we were at least somewhat organized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I am in no way advocating a strike.  The point of this whole post is to point out that the decision-makers are making poorly-informed decisions because the most important parties are not at the table (us).  When I say &#8220;have a tea party&#8221; it is definitely metaphorical &#8211; and I am not sure what the metaphor represents.  We simply need to rise up and make our voice heard.  It does not need to be angry as hell, or anything like that.</p>
<p>Check out the differences, by the way, of PCP salaries and specialists.  The margin difference is enormous.  Most of their work is done in the hospital, so they have no overhead there.  We carry all of our overhead.</p>
<p>Sam &#8211; I can&#8217;t disagree.  Wouldn&#8217;t it be better if we were at least somewhat organized?</p>
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