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Whose Chart?

by Rob on April 13, 2009 · Comments

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Do patients own their medical records?  Do doctors?  Hospitals?  Insurance companies?  Area 51?  Sanjay Gupta?

You hear this question put out there often, although not necessarily as plainly as that.  People want to “keep my medical records online.”  Google and Microsoft are trying to become a big player in the “Personal Health Record” industry with products that will allow individuals to keep their own records.

But are those really the patients’ medical records?

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My office is about to make certain parts of people’s records available to them online in a secure setting.  That way they can view their medication lists, make changes to it, and request refills.  They can look at their last cholesterol or mammogram and know when the next one is due.  This would be great for us and our patients, giving them information they haven’t had in the past.  But we have no intent on making the entire record readilly available to our patients.  There is still some information that I don’t want my  patients reading.  What if someone comes into the office with a child and I have some suspicions about the family situation.  I certainly want to make note of that for the simple fact that I will need a reminder when the patient returns (or if one of the other providers in my practice sees them).  But I certainly don’t want the patients having access to this.

This is also complicated by other facts.  For instance, we started recently putting immunizations directly into the Georgia immunization registry (called “GRITS” by the way), and the question came up as to whether we still needed to put everything into our charts.  Yes, we will document we gave a certain immunization, but do we have to say which leg it was given in, which lot number, which nurse did it?  This information is already being put into the registry, so then is this registry partly ours to use as records?

It’s a really complex subject because there is medical information on a patient in a huge number of places.  Not only do I (as a PCP) have a record on the patient, but so does the hospital, pharmacy, insurance company, specialist, lab, and radiology group.  Who owns that information?  Is there such a thing as information “ownership?”  Lawyers could probably answer this better than me (with words like “heretofore,” “forbearance,” and “adjudicate” – all of which make it off-limits to anyone with ADD), but here are some of my thoughts on the issue:

  1. The term “the patient’s medical record” is meaningless.  There are a large number of records, just like a person has accounts in many banks.  The idea that somewhere there is an over-arching comprehensive record is false.
  2. Medical records are tools.  I use a patient’s medical record to know what I am doing on them.  Since I see people intermittently, sometimes with six months, a year, or more between appointments, I have to have some way to remember what is going on when they come in.  One of the main reasons we started using electronic records is so we could have rapid access to that information.  I am way too disorganized to do it with paper.
  3. The idea of “owning data” is probably wrong.  A better way to think of it is “have the right to access data.”  When we first implemented EMR, one hospital was afraid to interface with our system because we would “take their information from their system.”  A high-up executive in a very large hospital system actually told me this.  But when I am the ordering physician, aren’t I part “owner” of the data?  Does the patient “own” it?  You see how the idea of ownership falls flat.
  4. Much of the medical record is there for financial reasons.  If I could, I would reduce the size of my notes by 75-90% by getting rid of useless stuff.  That stuff is not there for me.  It is not there for the patient.  It is there so I can show I did enough work to charge what I did.  Doctors are paid by documentation, not by work.  EMR has made the ability to put more useless information much more accessible.  Does that mean EMR causes me to over-document?  No, it is the rules set by the government which make me over-document.  I just want to get paid for what I did and EMR lets me easily over-document so I can.
  5. Another bunch of information is there to protect against lawsuit.  This cuts both ways; increased information is put there to cover your tail, but it also sets you up for more scrutiny.  If I put mammograms into the record that the GYN ordered and they are abnormal, I am at risk of lawsuit if I don’t follow-up on that information.  The easier it is to put information in the record, the easier it is to miss stuff and pay for it later.
  6. caveman-lawyer-unfrozenMost of the record is now irrelevant.  I don’t care if someone had stitches when they were eight.  I don’t care what someone’s serum chloride level was in 2004.  In general, I rarely refer to information that is over 1 year old, and almost never look at information that is over 5 years old.  It is important to keep past histories up to date – the generalities may be important, but the details are meaningless.
  7. Different parties will have interest in different information.  I don’t care what brand of stent the patient got in his coronaries, but the cardiologist does.  I don’t care which generic they got, but the pharmacy will.  The same goes for patients; there is only limited information that is relevant to them.
  8. Persuant to the claimant forthwith that heretofore is called “client X,” the adjudicated compliance is groovy.

Do patients need to have access to their medical records?  Not all of them.  Somehow there needs to be a way to parse out what is important and what is not.  The Internet has proven to me that more information is not always better.  We don’t need more information, we need the right information when it is needed.

Be prepared to have to adjudicate a lot more information on this subject.  You’ll be hearing a lot more.

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  • Rob
    What a great conversation! It can be spooky to realize how much of our personal information is out there or, as Cathy says, is being checked out by the wrong people in the right places.

    One solution to one part of the puzzle is electronic patient-controlled health records like Microsoft HealthVault. Using a secure site like this, we at least know our doctors have access to our info, and what they're seeing. As we move toward fully electronic records, we should have fewer people authorized to view them - and no one enabled to peek at them.

    I am fine with my doctor keeping private notes about me if he thinks that's best for my care. How that meshes with his legal obligations is beyond me, but I think we'll see a system in place in the near future that keeps as much as possible within my control while letting him do what he thinks is right.
  • I have to agree with much of what seaspray says. I also am no longer comfortable discussing some things with my Doctor as I once was. we all know that information is no longer confidential. It is out there for anyone to look at. Receptionists who pull up our charts on the computer, before the Dr. even enters the room, sits and reads whatever she likes on that record. I know this happens. We experienced it the last time we saw the OS. She sat right in the room where we were at and very obviously was reading the chart.

    And what about if one particular Dr. documents something of his "opinion" that isn't true? There it is on an EMR for every Dr. who will ever treat you to look at and read. You would already have strikes against you before you even had a chance to begin a relationship.

    I do feel like we, as patients, own our medical records. I think everything in them should be available to us if we ask for that information. I mean, come on, its out there being shared with God knows who, so why should it not be available to us?
  • Thanks for the post.

    I still feel awful whenever I read about med records because of the doctors office losing my records. I feel somewhat relieved to know you don't usually care about older info. But I confided something personal and it kills to me to think it could've been documented and now out there somewhere.

    It's been more than 2 months and I am still just as upset.

    And the threat of identity theft. *sigh*

    yesterday, I was speaking with a relative who also went to this doctor and I asked if she had picked up her records.

    She did, but didn't understand why she couldn't have the originals. (The doctor died but practice is up for sale.)

    She had to sign to release her info and yet they only gave her copies and stated the originals would be going to the doctor's family.

    Can you please shed some light on this?

    Why would she not be allowed to have her originals since she wanted to give them to her PCP? She was seeing this doc as a specialist for an autoimmune problem.

    She said that when her other doctor died...that office gave her her entire med recs, with *his* written documentation, etc.

    She said this office didn't give her everything representative of all her visits and gave her nothing in which he documented anything. All it was was labs, tests and that kind of thing..but nothing with his writing.

    I told her well maybe it was all transcribed and she said no..it wasn't.

    Isn't that odd?

    Is that the norm?

    And since she wanted the originals...doesn't she have a right to them?

    In my case... it was all missing except for a part of my December's visit.

    What is the normal protocol for releasing a patient's records to them and why do they have to sign for their own records.

    She is now worried that they could release her originals.

    Or is that because they go to the doctor who will be buying the practice... if ever?

    One more question... where do patient records go if no one takes over the practice and the family has them? Do they get destroyed after so many years?

    I do think the patient should be entitled to EVERYTHING... yet... I understand a doctor wanting to have some control over what is seen.

    My PCP told me that he is careful what he puts in a patients MR and that he is careful not to label them as alcoholic, depressed, anxious, etc.

    I never knew that had to be a concern.

    I always thought that patients could safely confide in their doctors and this winter I have since found out that how a doctor documents (Scalpel did a post) could come back to hurt the patient (the one seeking help in the 1st place) and that their info can possibly be accessed by other sources...even interfere with getting jobs.

    I find it all very disappointing and disturbing.

    It causes me to not want to be as open anymore.

    Iapologize for the length of this comment but your post triggered all the negative feelings I now have about my missing medical records and concern I have about confidentiality in any interactions with the doctors.

    I was so naive...and I suppose most patients are. i really thought that your information was safe with the physician and it is not necessarily so. And one can only hope that most docs are savvy w/pt documentation as far as future impact on the patient... but that isn't necessarily so either.

    I guess I am somewhat jaded now.
  • Rob
    Trisha: Apparently you were spam for a bit, but I rescued you.

    I have never felt that there was a move to a "one chart" mentality. Certainly things like lab results and radiology results can go across to everyone (although Kevin, MD has an interesting post today about an abnormal chest x-ray missed by a urologist). I just want my notes and what I need in the record. I don't want all the other stuff.

    The goal is not a single chart any more than the goal of banking is a single account. Interconnectivity is the key. I am actually going to interview some high-ups in CCHIT fairly soon and so should be able to shed more light on this.

    Owning a medical record number and a social security number are analogous. Owning a chart and owning election results are probably more close. It's information that is generated. A lot of it is not (literally) substantial. That which is (x-rays and labs) could be seen as owned by someone, but is my opinion really owned by the patient? That is what the point of my notes is. I'd say it is more mine than the patient's.
  • Thanks for giving me the idea for another post...I was just having a conversation about the "overdocumenters vs. underdocumenters" today at work. Yes, sometimes there's a bunch of superfluous information (and sometimes it can cause a world of trouble for the patient in the wrong hands) but other times there isn't enough of the "right" information to make sense out of what exactly the provider actually DID for the patient, which is equally problematic. EMR doesn't help this much in some cases, because it encourages the same type of documentation repeatedly, which at times is inappropriate. At least I know there's one doc out there somewhere (even if I do only know you via the internet(s)) who gives a hoot about medical records beyond the payment aspect of it. (There are a good number who seem to think those of us in HIM are nothing more than a gigantic pain in the posterior...not cool!)
  • DrV
    Really provocative post. Sanjay Gupta keeps all of our records in his living room, actually. And that makes it easy.
  • DrRob,

    Asking who patient record belongs to is like asking who owns a social security number.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the entire point of an EMR is to create the one patient/one record model. Access from anywhere by anyone means everyone is looking at the same record, no matter what comprises that record, no matter who the patient is, no matter who input the material. As the PCP you can feed it, pull info from it, ignore parts of it... as can any other provider who interfaces with that one patient -- as can the patient.

    Yes, billing info needs to be there. As does the immunization lot or the brand of stent -- we live in an age of recalls, right? The beauty of an electronic record is that the relevant info can be pulled front and center, while the rest of it is still there, but can be part of an archive.

    As a person who represents the patient's point of view, knowing this is the patient's record, knowing the patient is the one constant, I believe the record -- all of it -- belongs to the patient. We, the taxpaying patients, will be paying for the sharing aspects anyway. It belongs to us. We let you look at it and interface with it as you need it (and want to get paid by it, and use it to help you do your job.)

    As for your concern about some notes you might take that you don't want the patient to see? Keep track of that in your own system, not share-able with the patient or anyone else, for that matter. Those kinds of comments have caused plenty of embarrassment for patients and providers alike over the years.... I'm sure there is helpful role for them in some ways, as you described, but more likely they are just unnecessary for others.

    Trisha Torrey
    Guide to Patient Empowerment
    About.com
    http://patients.about.com
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