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	<title>Comments on: Conventional Magic</title>
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	<description>Thoughts of a moderately strange (yet not harmful) primary care physician.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Kirsch, M.D</title>
		<link>http://distractible.org/2009/11/04/conventional-magic/comment-page-1/#comment-6011</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kirsch, M.D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All true.  Many conventional MDs deride the alternative medical universe.  &quot;Where&#039;s the science? &quot; we exhort.  &quot;Where&#039;s the evidence?&quot; we demand.  &quot;Where&#039;s the double- blinded controlled data&quot;? we question.   Then, we proceed to prescribe our own voodoo.  www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All true.  Many conventional MDs deride the alternative medical universe.  &#8220;Where&#8217;s the science? &#8221; we exhort.  &#8220;Where&#8217;s the evidence?&#8221; we demand.  &#8220;Where&#8217;s the double- blinded controlled data&#8221;? we question.   Then, we proceed to prescribe our own voodoo.  <a href="http://www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Undead doctor</title>
		<link>http://distractible.org/2009/11/04/conventional-magic/comment-page-1/#comment-5954</link>
		<dc:creator>Undead doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is true even with uneducated patients in the developing world.

I remember being told by a senior colleague about his &quot;magical cure&quot; for &quot;snakes in my stomach&quot; - similar to IBS, but oviously a very different understanding of the disease aetiology. He used barium, x-rays and methylene blue to convince the patients they were cured. Sometimes you have to resort to original thinking, and some unconventional remedies.

http://undead-doc.blogspot.com/2009/11/bewitched.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is true even with uneducated patients in the developing world.</p>
<p>I remember being told by a senior colleague about his &#8220;magical cure&#8221; for &#8220;snakes in my stomach&#8221; &#8211; similar to IBS, but oviously a very different understanding of the disease aetiology. He used barium, x-rays and methylene blue to convince the patients they were cured. Sometimes you have to resort to original thinking, and some unconventional remedies.</p>
<p><a href="http://undead-doc.blogspot.com/2009/11/bewitched.html" rel="nofollow">http://undead-doc.blogspot.com/2009/11/bewitched.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr Mark</title>
		<link>http://distractible.org/2009/11/04/conventional-magic/comment-page-1/#comment-5951</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all so true.

During a good number of my patient visits, I find I am fighting against my patients&#039; inability to deal with ambiguity and uncertainty.  A visit will start like this: &quot;I have had back pain off and on for 2 years, and I think I need an MRI.  I really want to know what is going on.&quot;  When I tell them that the MRI probably won&#039;t tell us much more than we already know based on exam and history, they are surprised.  When I tell them the MRI may cause them harm by finding red herrings that we have to chase down, they are shocked.  High tech tests have been oversold as a definitive diagnostic tool.

In the end, though, they are grappling with a difficulty in handling not knowing EXACTLY what is going on.  The idea that we may never find a definitive answer as to the precise cause of the pain can be very difficult for them to get their head around.  They stress it could be &quot;cancer or some other bad thing.&quot;  If I then go on to explain that, yes, there is a microscopic chance that it is &quot;cancer or some other bad thing&quot;, but they have a GREATER chance of being harmed by the zillion dollar workup for such a very unlikely thing, I have now spent 20 minutes on a 15 minute back pain visit, and I still haven&#039;t started to discuss the management plan.  On top of that, they still won&#039;t believe my explanation, because &quot;everyone knows&quot; that &quot;detecting cancer early is better&quot;.  The remaining ambiguity and doubt that there might be something dangerous going on (however small that chance is) and we can&#039;t do anything about it really seems to bug them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all so true.</p>
<p>During a good number of my patient visits, I find I am fighting against my patients&#8217; inability to deal with ambiguity and uncertainty.  A visit will start like this: &#8220;I have had back pain off and on for 2 years, and I think I need an MRI.  I really want to know what is going on.&#8221;  When I tell them that the MRI probably won&#8217;t tell us much more than we already know based on exam and history, they are surprised.  When I tell them the MRI may cause them harm by finding red herrings that we have to chase down, they are shocked.  High tech tests have been oversold as a definitive diagnostic tool.</p>
<p>In the end, though, they are grappling with a difficulty in handling not knowing EXACTLY what is going on.  The idea that we may never find a definitive answer as to the precise cause of the pain can be very difficult for them to get their head around.  They stress it could be &#8220;cancer or some other bad thing.&#8221;  If I then go on to explain that, yes, there is a microscopic chance that it is &#8220;cancer or some other bad thing&#8221;, but they have a GREATER chance of being harmed by the zillion dollar workup for such a very unlikely thing, I have now spent 20 minutes on a 15 minute back pain visit, and I still haven&#8217;t started to discuss the management plan.  On top of that, they still won&#8217;t believe my explanation, because &#8220;everyone knows&#8221; that &#8220;detecting cancer early is better&#8221;.  The remaining ambiguity and doubt that there might be something dangerous going on (however small that chance is) and we can&#8217;t do anything about it really seems to bug them.</p>
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